Discussion in 'Video Instructional's' started by Locutus, Apr 14, 2013.
Some good tips in using Aikido with MMA
Once again, I'd like to see Aikido actually being used in MMA and not just demonstrated.
First of all, who leads with a hook without at least a straight feint? Even if it is a demo, show some applications against some real striking combos, because in a real fight people throw punches in bunches not all these effing demo one-and-dones. And thank goodness he has such a good passive uke throughout. As far as his "50-50 pop-drop", no one camps out long enough off of the pop to stand there and reach up to get the arm drag/ude garame. That's dojo speculation that doesn't pan out in a real fight, whether sport or street. The RNC offensive defense again is a heroic dojo technique that he will get to take a nice nap dreaming about if that's his go to defense. His only viable technique is coming off of a partial BJJ fail (omoplata) and the kote gaeshi from his 50-50 even if it was legal for MMA isn't going to have much success unto itself with a resisting opponent. I get it that he's trying like hell to apply the Aikido techniques to MMA but just give it up already. Keep Aikido where it has a chance, against relatively unskilled attackers in self-defense situations (unless you're actually combining it with striking, then it has a chance to work almost universally).
(unless you're actually combining it with striking, then it has a chance to work almost universally).
^^^This was my conclusion when I took Aikido.....
I wasn't sure if this was a joke at first? I have no issue with Aikido... but to the point above by RJ and copied by Mt. Bond.. is there a viable martial art any more that doesn't combine striking?
And, how do I get my opponents to leave extended arms on purpose like in this video when I am in closed guard?
Should I just ask?
It is interesting that I am being shown with my Aikido how to block strikes and where to move to avoid strikes. Also how to work strikes in and what strikes I can do at various stages of each move. Does that mean my Aikido is abnormal?
Does that not also apply to any grappling art? The reverse also for any striking art?
The big difference between Aikido and other Martial Arts is Aikido is more focused on avoidance and redirection of opposing force instead of meeting force with counter force. That idea takes some getting used to.
However, I do understand your thoughts and feelings as I would feel the same way after watching 90% of the video's on youtube.
It is really hard to judge Aikido without actually taking Aikido...
IME, not really. That doesn't mean that striking won't make grappling more effective and vice versa.
Judo and BJJ make big use of this concept, and so does wrestling to a somewhat lesser extent.
Again, I am not necessarily anti-Aikido, as it probably does have some useful techniques, but I feel like (at least from what I have seen of it) that it MUST be combined with something else to be useful whereas other grappling arts are useful all on their own and might just become even more so with the addition of some form of cross training. To put it more simply, I can JUST take BJJ and have a good chance of using it successfully against some who knows how to fight, whereas JUST taking Aikido I have my doubts about.
As I have stated before, the problem is that the typical attack used when teaching Aikido is an attack that would have occurred most likely in feudal Japan. The overhand knife hand, is really an attack with a sword. The defense against a thrust or punch is really against a committed sword thrust. There lies another problem, Aikido came from Aikijutsu and that was used by the Samurai's in battle, so Aikido really works best against a committed attack in battle, not necessarily an attack in the ring. Not that an attack in the ring is not committed.....it is just different.
Aikido is like pornography, hard to describe, but I know it when I see it....wait, never mind.
That being said, I learned some really effective joint locks and nice evasive moves that complemented Karate and Judo.
I believe that you can JUST take BJJ and have a good chance of using it successfully against some who knows how to fight in a shorter time span than someone who JUST takes Aikido. I hold to my belief that Aikido is an effective martial art in and of itself and I too would love to see a pure Aikido against x,y,z ma in a real sparring situation. Aikido is first and foremost a defensive martial art against swords which means that trying to block and counter that means you quickly have nothing to block with.......I know. Put me and BSC together in an octagon
Put BSC in an octagon by himself and I am pretty sure he still loses...
For some reason I thought Aikido was an offshoot of Judo.
Copied this text...but I agree with it.
Ueshiba studied Daito Ryu Aikijujutsu under Sokaku Takeda (the exact amount of time he did so is a much debated subject in the aiki arts!) and from that training, and with some other martial influences as well, he developed his art of Aikido. However, Aikido was never pure Aikijujutsu (Daito Ryu or otherwise). Ueshiba’s Aikido was very much influenced by his conversion to the Omoto Kyo pacifist religion. This is where much of the “softness” that we see in the Aikido of Ueshiba’s later years comes from IMHO. This “softness” is nowhere near as prevalent in Aikijujutsu. In fact, any softness in Aikijujutsu could really be defined within its Uke Waza, where blending and/or redirection may be employed to gain control of an attacker… but once that control has been gained, Aikijujutsu is anything but “soft” in it’s other waza: Shinkei Waza, Atemi Waza, Kansetsu Waza, Shime Waza, Nage Waza, Osae Waza and Ne Waza. These are all performed with a force and focus that is quite painful indeed!
Because there has been a resurgence of interest in Aikijujutsu in the past few decades, some styles of Aikido (IMHO) have adopted a harder style themselves and have begun to try to emulate Aikijujutsu more and more. Perhaps some day we’ll see some styles of Aikido begin calling themselves Aikijujutsu (IMHO we already have actually).
Actually, originally from Jujitsu. Judo is the watered down version of Jutitsu. The timeline goes Jujitsu -> Aikijitsu -> Aikido.
Fair enough. Aikido and Judo are related through Jujutsu. Got it.
Depends on what you mean by watered down. Fewer techniques? Agreed. Less effective techniques? I disagree -- indeed, I would argue that Judo is MORE effective than Jujutsu (which is a big reason why Judo replaced Jujutsu).
Locutus, how long have you been taken Aikido now?
Not very long, less than a year. It is a style I have always wanted to do. I hold no misconceptions against my Aikido effectiveness and still feel comfortable with TKD and Karate but Aikido is starting to sink in now.
Really good article on Judo, Jujutsu etc. Since we are chatting about it...
I meant watered down in the meaning that *do means the way of and is generally thought to be softer than the *itsu.
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