Amateur fighter dies

Discussion in 'General Martial Arts Discussions' started by DeeD, Nov 17, 2014.


Who do you think is most at fault ?

Poll closed Nov 24, 2014.
  1. The fighter for non - disclosure

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  2. The ref and medical staff

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  3. No one - Unfortunate culmination of events

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  1. DeeD

    DeeD Nak Muay

    Not sure if everyone has seen this , Tragic dude on his opening fight dies , Lots of controversy because apparently he had an underlying condition that he didn't disclose , People blaming medical officials refs etc , what do u guys think

  3. Kuyaken

    Kuyaken Karate for the streets not just for trophies

    I would this is where Boxing is so much better than Martial Arts.

    Boxers have to have a medical to gain a licence to fight. I think if he was given a medical this would have transpired and the lad would still be alive.

    Its a bit of 6 of 1 1/2 dozen of another as fingers can be pointed at everyone involved.

    Its an eye opener that might get the sport correctly regulated to protect the fighters stepping into the ring

  4. DeeD

    DeeD Nak Muay

    I know when I was competing as an amateur we would have the general once over medical check. Blood pressure check ,heart rate that kinda thing. Blood tests prior to fight for hep b , HIV etc but if the guy had a underlying medical condition probably wouldn't have shown with those tests. I'm not sure if amateur boxers do full medicals ?
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  5. Kuyaken

    Kuyaken Karate for the streets not just for trophies

  6. james chin

    james chin expanding my martial skill

    i would say its the own fighters fault, he should not have entered if he have medical problems. if he does, he knows full well of the risk n knows wat he is doing, unless he does not know about his own medical problems then its no one fault. the second person to blame is the doctor because he is very unprofessional, he should concentrate on his job n not on phone.
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  7. ukdad

    ukdad Initiate

    I'm afraid I watched the video. Its absolutely disgusting and now I feel sick. There is a word for what was done there. I can't use that word because presumably there is an ongoing enquiry and in the UK at least we have laws forbidding us from pointing fingers before the enquiry is finished.

    So I'll just give my observation without pointing fingers. It was very clear to me from early on that one of the two fighters was not fit to continue. Ok, he tried to continue. "free will" and all, but when your brain is going short of oxygen and electrolytes to the extent that you can no longer coordinate yourself, you do not think clearly. In any sport, it is generally accepted that clarity of thought is not always going to be present for many, many different reasons, which is why professional people are always present to intervene if it seems appropriate. It seems that none of these professionals intervened in time to prevent a tragedy.

    Now a personal experience. One time during training I pushed myself far beyond my limit. I remember feeling very ill, and I also remember just doing as I was told because I could no longer think for myself because I simply wasn't functioning correctly. I remember one of the instructors walking up to me and asking how many fingers he was holding up, and I remember getting the answer correct. I also remember being escorted from the hall despite this, and over the next unknown (to me) number of minutes I was cooled, watered, put into some weird half sat half laid down position, and I remember being supervised very closely until such time that I started to make sense when I opened my mouth to speak. I respect my instructors, and I genuinely believe they are good, but they are not top level professional coaches and medics. Yet they knew to extract me when I was pushing myself too far.
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  8. john2054

    john2054 Nearly graduate

    I don't think he died because of an underlying hidden condition, i think he died because of one too many punches, plus the fight should have been stopped in the second!

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