"Gentlemen's" Submission Grappling Match

Discussion in 'Grappling Martial Arts' started by RJ Clark, Jun 18, 2013.

  1. RJ Clark

    RJ Clark Tree Ninja Staff Member

    This is good fun, but also can be a fine example of why grappling with a gi doesn't really correlate for effective self-defense. They are both wearing suits for the match, which would be the closest thing to a gi that anyone will be wearing on the street, and they don't hold up well. Granted it became a bit of a joke to tear stuff up after the first couple of tear aways from gripfighting.
    One of the guys is the owner of Odin Fightwear. I have one of their rashguards and it's probably the best I've ever owned at a terrific price. Here's a link to check out their stuff: http://odinfightwear.com/
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  3. KeithW

    KeithW "Just keep training..."

    Was anyone else like :unsure: when the first guy came into the octagon?
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  4. SifuPhil

    SifuPhil Lucky Cat Is Lucky

    The round-card girl was the best part - sorry, RJ.

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  5. Caneman

    Caneman Test all things.

    I felt like that throughout the video.
  6. RJ Clark

    RJ Clark Tree Ninja Staff Member

    Definitely not an instructional or a world-class grappling match, just take it at face value as an exhibition match that as a side note shows how even a suit doesn't hold up to grappling, let alone other "street" clothes. Mainly it was a convenient excuse to plug a great product (Odin Fightwear) that has design elements that are refreshingly different and stellar quality.
  7. Pedro

    Pedro Baek Doo San

    dude, this is gay porn....
  8. RJ Clark

    RJ Clark Tree Ninja Staff Member

    It's actually kind of funny how a simple exhibition match is being perceived based on the possible (or over-the-top obvious based on the walk-in) sexual orientation of one of the participants. Does anyone here who has trained for at least a few years really think that whether you're a striker or a grappler or both that you haven't rolled with or sparred with someone who was gay? And why is it even an issue one way or the other?
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  9. Pedro

    Pedro Baek Doo San

    I'm not talking about their sexual orientation... may be they are actors, but the first move was a butt sitting on the face and then they be like takin them clothes off to create a mood... I call gay porn
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  10. SifuPhil

    SifuPhil Lucky Cat Is Lucky

    It's an issue to me because I'm pretty much old-fashioned and tired of having alternate sexuality shoved in my face everywhere I turn (figuratively speaking, of course). If they want to appeal to the gay segment of their MMA market, fine, but I would think they're going to lose a lot of potential customers who feel the way I do.

    Have you heard of HIV? Yes, that's an issue as well in MA whenever there's blood-to-blood contact. No, it isn't confined to homosexuals. Yes, the odds are increased.

    And playing the odds is a big thing in the MA.
  11. Battodoka07

    Battodoka07 Warrior Monk

    Yeah, as much money as I spend on suits, I probably wouldn't want to be grappling in them. Easier to just shoot from a distance, lol.

    Of course you can try and spend money on these suits:

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  12. dmach

    dmach Martial Archivest

    Have to agree with that, lost interest after about 3 minutes when they simply started ripping the clothes off. Had to be an exhibition - just for funsies - match. Now if Ronda Rousey and Gina Carano had a match like that... :sneaky:
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  13. RJ Clark

    RJ Clark Tree Ninja Staff Member

    They've lost the cantankerous old-fellah demographic for their rash guards?:ROFLMAO:
    Yeah, it absolutely was just an exhibition match. Again, other than it being a bit funny to be rolling in suits, what I took from the vid was the lack of correlation between street clothes and gi.
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  14. DeeD

    DeeD Nak Muay

    haha this made me laugh
  15. Caneman

    Caneman Test all things.

    No... the overtly questionable orientation (from the beginning) was just annoying along with the positioning and lack of taking advantage of position... and preferring to sit on each other more, etc.
    Now... to what you said about the tearing of the clothing and the application to RL... it is a good video. Heck... I have issues with uniforms not holding up, that are specifically designed for grappling... of course I also have a bigger issue with the costs of those that hold up.
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  16. MattCMMA

    MattCMMA Master

    Aside from giggling like schoolgirls with the sexual shit, I agree completely with the point RJ was making. Most clothing won't hold up to the many different GI grips that are taught, and will just tear away. This is another good reason why if training in BJJ to practice with both the GI as well NoGi. I prefer NoGi anyway as it is much faster.
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  17. SifuPhil

    SifuPhil Lucky Cat Is Lucky

    To me, the point is to not put all your eggs into the grappling basket.

    Point strikes (what hard stylists would call palm strikes, punches, elbows, etc.) don't have the same limitations.
  18. MattCMMA

    MattCMMA Master

    Until you come across a wrestler [pretty popular and common amongst males High School & above in the US]. Unless you're fighting in the middle of a field, at one point or another you run out of distance to create.
  19. SifuPhil

    SifuPhil Lucky Cat Is Lucky

    I don't know, Matt - I never had any problem delivering strikes on a wrestler. Now if they had me in a full-lock suspended bear-hug or a concrete arm-bar then yeah, I could see where I'd be screwed. But I don't allow myself to get into those situations in the first place.

    I had guys in the club shoot in for my legs, and the back of their heads are like a big archery target to me. They've tried to choke me out and I just tap their pills. They tried to bear-hug me - head butt, knee to pills and shin kick.

    It's kind of hard to grapple when your wrists and elbows are broken, and when I face a grappler that's usually my first targeting sequence.

    And if all that failed there was always the belt knife, the boot knife, the forearm-sheath knife, the pepper spray, the stun gun and the .45 ...
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  20. RJ Clark

    RJ Clark Tree Ninja Staff Member

    Just how far from the outside are your "wrestlers" trying to shoot on you? You basically shouldn't shoot for the legs/leg dive without being at about arms length. Now some guys can set up shots effectively from further, but as a rule of thumb you should be able to touch someone (with your hands) before attempting a shot. So the head isn't a viable target but for a split second, if that. Also on the body-lock from the front - was that a wrestler or a guy playing at being a grappler? Because when you get that you're not hugging a guy face-to-face head-butt conducive, your head/face is buried and you're folding your opponent down/back the second you get in (or you may be going for any number of things, but they all have the head tucked in and used as an extra appendage to assist the takedown/throw). So a very quick knee to the pills is the only real possibility (and sometimes happens by default on the takedown anyway, not that it stops the action from any wrestler/wrestling coaches I know or roll with). As for the pill tap vs choke, I'll assume they were trying some weak-ass half-hearted standing guillotine. As any other choke applied correctly would end up in naptime if not defending against the choke itself if someone tried to go on the offensive while it's locked in.
  21. Gone

    Gone Guest

    So this begs the question, what kind of clothing is preferable to wear in these real fighting situations?
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