judo vs jujitsu

Discussion in 'Judo' started by steve didino, Jul 13, 2012.

  1. Ian White

    Ian White Samurai

    I have a close friend who is 4th Dan Jui Jitsu He has studied in Japan. He has taught me some of the nastiest techniques I have
    seen designed purely to disable or kill an opponent.
    I taught him some nasty Korean stuff too in Exchange ;)
     
  2. Enkidu

    Enkidu Destroyer of your martial arts fantasies

    How does he train that nasty stuff designed purely to disable or kill?
     
  3. Ian White

    Ian White Samurai

    My aim in a self defence situation is not to get into position where i needed to grapple with my attacker.
    Keep contact to the minimum, Strikes and kicks on the right points and with sufficient are incredibly effective
     
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  4. steve didino

    steve didino Disciple

    endiku u speak sense respect to you
     
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  5. steve didino

    steve didino Disciple

    fair comment
     
  6. Enkidu

    Enkidu Destroyer of your martial arts fantasies

    Okay, I get that... but I ask again... how do you train techniques designed to disable or kill?

    I can spar with non-deadly techniques. I cannot spar with deadly ones.
     
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  7. steve didino

    steve didino Disciple

    stirred up a hornets nest lol should have kept quiet
     
  8. Ian White

    Ian White Samurai

    The way the techniques would be applied at full power and full striking power left me in no doubt you could do serious amount of damage.
     
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  9. steve didino

    steve didino Disciple

    endiku makes a lot of sense as usual
     
  10. steve didino

    steve didino Disciple

    endiku i agree with you
     
  11. steve didino

    steve didino Disciple

    i do judo for fitness and fun and self control not to hurt anyone
     
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  12. Ian White

    Ian White Samurai

    Looking at this another way
    . I wouldn't show some of my students some of these things he showed me.
    Sparring requires control and discipline as we are all aware.
    Life threatening situations changes the perspective considerably.
     
  13. steve didino

    steve didino Disciple

    i do martial arts for fun and fitness not to kill
     
  14. Enkidu

    Enkidu Destroyer of your martial arts fantasies

    I am sure they would do a lot of damage if they connected. But how do you develop skill that can actually be relied upon with techniques that cannot be used at full speed/strength in sparring? This is a serious question. I am not trying to be an ass here. I have a strong bias here that I admit against so-called "deadly" techniques. My bias comes from the fact that I believe fighting skill, real fighting skill requires a "bridge" between learning a technique and being able to use it in practical application. That "bridge" is hard sparring. My "bias" is that timing, distance, reaction speed, application in a dynamic and unscripted environment, etc. are developed in sparring in a way they can never be in training against a compliant partner or a bag or dummy.

    As much as I have my bias (and that bias doesn't come from nowhere, it is based on years of experience), I am willing to hear an explanation of why deadly techniques that cannot be used in sparring can actually have real world effectiveness in a dynamic unscripted environment and how you train for that.
     
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  15. Ian White

    Ian White Samurai

    My friend said his Japanese instructors were showing where these arts came from. The world was a lot more dangerous then.
    Bottom line,these fighting skills were used to kill and maim which is the basic truth of their origins
     
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  16. Ian White

    Ian White Samurai

    Lets be clear some of the things we know would have you disqualified on the competition mat
     
  17. Aaron

    Aaron Shadow Warrior

    Most arts are rooted some type of battlefield system; judo from jujitsu (bjj from judo), aikido from aikijitsu, iado from iajutsu, kendo from kenjutsu, karate-do even came from an okanawan battlefield art.. most of these arts where originally used primarly on the battlefields.

    Some of these techniques have to be carefully if full speed is used.... It is never good destroying a training partners limb:rolleyes:
     
  18. RJ Clark

    RJ Clark Tree Ninja Staff Member

    I am shodan in Judo and JuJutsu. Expert is a relative term, but I certainly can count it as one of my strengths.
     
  19. steve didino

    steve didino Disciple

    bows to you in respect
     
  20. RJ Clark

    RJ Clark Tree Ninja Staff Member

    Rei (bow) to you in return. Domo arigato (formal thank you).
    You can always keep it informal from now on, we're only on a forum not in the dojo.:)
     

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